Monday, March 23rd, 2009



Timur riding the Morgan “Yildiz” (Star) in Winter 2009 at the Osmanli Dergahi, New York.



Sohbet given by Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Kibrisi

Saturday, 2 Shaban 1427 / August 26, 2006.
Stamford, Connecticut.

Medet Ya Seyyidi Ya Sultanul Awliya Medet.

(Sheykh Efendi was conversing with the guests and one of them asked
him the following)

Q: What was the religion of the Turks before Islam?

Sheykh Efendi: The Turks came from Central Asia. They came from
Erganakon. The Turks are the most rooted nation on the face of the
earth. They are coming from the son of Nuh (aleyhi salam), the one
that went to Central Asia. After they came out from the ship he went
to Central Asia. Nuh (as) had three sons. Sam, Ham and Yafes. Yafes
went to Central Asia, stayed there and children came from him. The
Turkic nations are coming from the generations of Yafes. All Turks are
coming from him. Yafes had a son whose name was Turk. In the
dictionary Turk means powerful, strong. From that generation the Turks
are coming. They were living in Central Asia.

So at that time in Central Asia they slowly started deviating from the
religion. The Turks started believing in what we call Shamanism. You
know Shamanism? Shamans. But the Turks were always believing that
there was a God living in the sky. He was not like humans. He was
living in the sky. That was the religion that they were believing in.
When Prophet (salatu wa salam) came, he said to the Sahaba, “Don’t
fight with the Turks. Go and give them the religion. They are going to
accept easily.” It’s because they were believing that there is a God
in the sky. There were Gokturks (sky-turks), Ayturks (moon-turks) etc.
Some groups were believing that the God is living in the sky and some
groups were believing that the crescent is supported by the God. So
they were taking that, The Gokturks, Hunturks (Hun Turks) and all the
other ones.

When Islam came they accepted easily. When they were following the
Shamanism religion, at that time in that part of the world Buddhism
was also very active. So some groups of Turks started following
Buddhism. They were highly spiritual people. But really the rulers of
the tribes kept it strong through generations because the Turks are
always living with tribes and they are looking at the leadership. They
don’t want to separate from the leadership through history. When in
Erganakon, right in Central Asia, the water finished and everything
finished, they had to come out. But there was no way out form that
area. So they started melting the mountains from the inside, they
found roads and they came out from top of the Himalayan Mountains and
then they separated into different groups and different tribes. Three
tribes moved up to the north from Central Asia. One tribe stayed in
today’s what we call Mongolistan. They stayed there and they turned
into Mongolians. The other went up to Siberia and they stayed in that
area and the other tribes moved and circling around Alaska they came
to America (and became) what you call the Indian-Americans (native
Americans). Indian-Americans are coming from Turkic backgrounds.


There are profiles for nations. For rooted nations there is a profile.
The nations that later break away, like today’s Hungary, those whom
you call the Hungarians, are Turks. Hun Turks. Finlandians are Turks.
Fin. They are coming from Turkic nations. But because they left the
religion of Islam and they took Christianity, it’s lost. So many
tribes in Bulgaria are also Turks.

Q: So the Turks of the existing nation of Turkey, what was their
religion 2,000 years ago?

Sheykh Efendi: Shamanism. Some Buddhists and some Shamanists. But they
were always believing, in the Shamanism religion they were believing
that there is a God. The Turks never worshipped idols. They didn’t
accept idol-worship. So when Islam came they said, “This religion fits
perfectly to us. This is what we believe.” But some leaders knew that
it’s not going to be helping them. So they uprised against them (the
leaders inclined to Islam). There are other groups where the king took
over and cut the necks off those leaders who uprised because they were
very powerful. They finished that part and they accepted Islam. When
the kings accepted Islam their whole nations accepted Islam. So Islam
started growing in Central Asia very fast and going everywhere from
Central Asia at that time. This is before the kings of that part (of
the world) started accepting Islam. For instance, Iran was not
accepting, the Persians were still not accepting at that time. But the
Turks accepted it in Central Asia.

So they were standing between their area (Persia) and Central Asia and
they were becoming a big powerful nation. It was a big threat to
Persia now because they cannot fight anymore. The Seljuk Turks were
coming. The Seljuks were very powerful. What happened was that there
was a time that a big separation was happening, the Shia and the Sunni
separation was happening [late 10th and early 11th century A.D.]. Now
the Seljuk King (Togrul Beg) got inspired to come and understand from
the ruling (Abbasid) Khalifah. (He thought), “This is the grandson of
the Prophet (sws) and I have to go visit him, watch what he is going
to say and I am going to go according to that.” So the Turks were
moving from Central Asia and they were fighters. No nation was able to
stand in front of them. If they aimed at something they would knock
them down easily.

So when the Seljuk King was coming with his nation, he was putting
guards everywhere. He secured everything because he knew the idea of
what was happening in Persia then (what we call Iran now). He knew
that the Shia ideas were moving up and the Sunni belief was going
down, disappearing. He had to choose a side. So he decided to come to
Baghdad to see the Khalifah first. But he knew that Iran was a very
powerful nation. So he put his soldiers (at key points) saying, “Keep
everything under control until I visit the Khalifah. After I come, we
are going to decide which side we are taking.” The (Seljuk) King was
an illiterate man. He didn’t know how to read and write. He said that,
“When I came to the presence of the Khalifah inspiration started
coming to me that I must help the Khalifah for the Ehl-i Sunnat way to
rise again.” It’s because when the Ehl-i Sunnat slowly finishes, Islam
is going to sink completely. So he decided to take the Ehl-i Sunnat
way and he became a very big power against Iran, hitting certain areas
and crushing down the beliefs of the wrong Shiite understanding. He
was moving towards the Middle East because in the Middle East they
(Shiites) were also becoming very powerful, in the Egypt area and
everywhere. He was crushing those down and then he put borders because
the Byzantines and the Greeks (the Europeans) started attacking Islam
[the Crusades]. So they started putting barricades in front of them.
They were the first ones to fight against the European attacks,
standing right over there and stopping everything.

So because they helped the Ehl-i Sunnat way so much, the Khalifah gave
them high titles saying, “You are the rulers now for the Army.” They
started ruling from then, slowly continuing, continuing, going back
and forth and so many things were changing slowly but they were
becoming powerful until the time of the Ottoman Empire. When the
Ottomans came to power, they went to Egypt where the Mamluk Turks
(they are Mamluks that came from today’s Cherkezistan, i.e. Circassia)
were ruling. They were the paid soldiers. After a while the Mamluks
took over the whole country and they were ruling. When the Mamluks
started deviating from the way of the real correct faith then Sultan
Selim (the Ottoman ruler) gave ultimatum to them saying, “I am coming
there to take the Khilafat from you. If you fight with me then I am
going to crush you down completely.” So when they were passing through
today’s Sinai desert (which they couldn’t pass with all their
equipments and Sultan Selim passed it with his soldiers). They (the
Mamluks) said, “It is impossible to pass this desert.” They (the
Ottomans) passed the desert, he (Sultan Selim) came to Egypt, he took
the Khilafat from there, he circled around to Damascus, he gave big
authorities to the religious figures there who were believing in the
Ehl-i Sunnat way and it spread everywhere and he went back to
Istanbul. Since that time until 1923 the Ottomans were the ones who
were ruling as the Sultan and the Khalifah. The whole Islamic world
was under their banner.

(Sheykh Efendi then continued speaking on other topics).