Sohbet given by Sheykh Abdul Kerim el-Hakkani el-Kibrisi

Friday, 8 Shaban 1427 / September 1, 2006
39th Street, Manhattan. New York.

Auzu billahi minash sheytanir rajim
Medet Ya Sultanul Awliya, medet.

Allah is testing real faith and fake faith. And the test comes like
this. There has to be opposition (for us) to say, “We are defending
the Truth.” And Allah is testing people’s real faith to see which
direction they are moving. And they are choosing a side. It (the wrong
side) has to be there. It was not there until the 1900’s. It was there
but hidden, in a very small amount because Islam was ruling officially
until 1923 and really until 1908. When Sultan Abdul Hamid Khan was
removed from the chair, the ruling of Islam finished. He was the last
ruling Khalifah, Sultan Abdul Hamid Khan II (Jennat Mekan). After that
one, two, three more khalifahs came but they didn’t have the power in
their hand. When the Khalifah doesn’t have the power then he is no
longer ruling. Because he is not ruling, Islam is not ruling.

So up till that time Islam was ruling. Topkapi Palace is where the
belongings of the Holy Prophet (sws) are, his jubbahs, his teeth, his
beard, his sword, all other things and what the Sahaba left to us
physically, is there. And the Prophet’s (sws) flag is there. They (the
Ottomans) made another one like that and early in the morning right
after Fajr prayer with official ceremony every morning they were
pulling the flag of Islam. The flag was open (which meant,) “Islam as
a government is ruling and the headquarter is here.” It was saying,
“Islam’s headquarter is here and the ruling of the east and west,
north and south, believers and unbelievers are under the blessing of
that flag.” The Quran was open and recitation of the Quran was
continuing twenty-four hours non-stop, circling. Not from cassettes,
live Hafez people were sitting over there for one hour reciting, one
finishing and another one coming reciting for one hour openly, (and in
this way) the Quran was circling twenty-four hours. Twenty-four hours
it was never stopping. Quran was being recited from the headquarters
twenty-four hours, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five
days a year for over four hundred and thirty five some years. Non-stop.

Islam was Ruling. In the holy places east and west they put holy
people who were following the four mazhabs aqida, the four mazhabs
way, and they were given jurisdiction according to the time and the
need of the people. So Islam was Ruling. The sword was out and the
Shariat was ruling. When somebody breaks the rules and the laws of the
Shariat and the Shariat is ruling, it will not be, “Oh, this is my
cousin” or “This is my brother”, “That’s my mother” or “That’s my
father.” No. You can buy today’s courts very easily. At that time you
couldn’t because Islam was ruling. As people today say, “Allah is
ruling”, (but He is ruling) through the hands of those ones that He
has appointed and they were not weak like women. Today they lost the
identity. Women is given different emotions, characteristics and
everything is different and the man is different. Those who were
ruling and representing Islam correctly, they were not even allowed to
cry in public. Whatever pain comes to them they had to be standing
strong. Their children were falling down, their wives were falling
down, dying, this was happening, that was happening, but they were
standing powerful because they knew that everything happens with the
permission of Allah (subhana wa ta’ala).

Today all that has changed. Islam is no longer ruling. So now when we
go back watching that time and we look at this time, and we go back
trying to find through the hadith of the Holy Prophet (sws) what will
happen after Prophet (sws) leaves this world physically then we are
finding that Holy Prophet (sws) said, “After me there will be
Khalifahs coming and ruling.” Khulafa-e Rashideen, the companions of
the Holy Prophet (sws) and the best ones among the whold mankind. They
came and ruled. Right after the Khulafa-e Rashideen other Sahabis and
Tabiin took over and the kingdoms came. Now Islam is not only a
spiritual teaching but it’s also a worldly ruling. In worldly ruling
there has to be some government ways to rule. At that time Allah
(subhana wa ta’ala) chose Islam to be ruling with the power of
Kingdom, the Sultanate, the Maliks, the Sultans has to rule, not
giving votes, buying the votes, later sitting on the chair and later,
“We don’t like you. Let’s throw you down and get somebody else.” Even
if the Khalifah is a little bit crooked like this or like that, it
doesn’t matter. Blessing was coming down because the chair was not
empty. It was occupied.

They ruled according to those nations. It’s not that the Khalifahs
were not correct ones. They were correct ones. Allah chose them. When
the nations started becoming weak and were asking to have something
that they didn’t deserve and didn’t work for it but they were running
to cheat here and there, Allah put a stronger one to rule them. There
was a governor in the time of Harun ar-Rashid (who was a rightly
guided Khalifah) and he was sent to Iraq, today’s Iraq. He was the
tyrant Hajjaj. Hajjaj. Do you know that one? History is saying that he
was a tyrant one. But he was not a tyrant one. He was a strong ruler.
He was not a weak one. He was a strong ruler. Khalifah chose that one
and sent him to the troubled area saying, “Go to this area. This area
is good for you because your sword is always out and you are ready to
cut.” When he came and he made an announcement saying, “Everyone must
come to the Central Mosque because there is a khutba and everyone must
hear it. Everyone must come, especially the officials who are doing
something with the government.” Everyone came sitting but there were
people at that time in that area who were cursing the Khalifah. As
today’s Alawi idea people are cursing, (in the same way) they were
cursing the Khalifah and Khalifah sent Hajjaj there saying, “Go over
there and rule.” He came and he gave the khutba paper to that Imam who
was representing him, saying, “Go up there and read the khutba to
them.” He stood up and he said, “The Khalifah of Islam is sending his
salams to you.” Everyone started boiling inside. They were upset but
they were not saying anything. The Imam said, “Auzu billahi minash
sheytanir rajim. Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim. Selam aleykum wa
rahmatullah wa barakatuhu. The Khalifah is sending his salams to you.”
As soon as they heard the name they were showing their anger to the
Khalifah. He tried to continue but Hajjaj was looking. He said, “Stop
there!” He said to them, “Look at me. The Khalifah, Khalifatullah, the
one who is representing Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) on the face of the
earth, he sat down and he put his arrows in front of him. He chose the
worst poisoned arrow and he sent it to you.” He said to them, “He
chose me. I am the worst poisoned one and he sent me to you.” “Now
hear me good”, he said, “The Khalifah is sending his salams to you.”
Right away they started, “Aleykum selam wa rahmatullah…”. “It must
be!” he said, “You must be giving response to that.”

Taking the paper he said, “Now, the Khalifah is saying that some of
your heads here have started growing, growing beyond their bodies.” He
gave them the khutba and he said to them what is necessary and what
they have to do. Then he took out another list and he said, “As soon
as this conference here finishes, all the names that I am going to
read now must come to my office.” He said, “I am not asking you. It is
an order to you that in this many hours you must come into the
office.” And he recited those names who were uprising and who were
uprising people against the Khalifah. He said, “You must come to my
office.” He went back to his office. He said to his deputies, “When
they come, let them sit over there. Look what happens and you watch
too what kind of ruler came to this part of the world.”

They came and he said, “You! How do you like our Khalifah?”


He said, “Walk through that door. Not a good response. Executioner!
Get that head off.” Instantly.

“You! What do you say?”


“You go too. You?”

“Ah, Khalifah is good.”

“You are a hypocrite. You’ve been saying this, this and this all this
time and now you are saying this? Get his neck off!”

All the names that he called he cut their necks off right away. Hmm.
He said, “If there are any other heads that are growing beyond the
bodies, they must go. And that’s why I am here, to cut those necks off.”

So even that one who looks as if he was a tyrant was not that tyrant.
He was ruling with the authority. He wasn’t a tyrant. He was sent to
that area because that kind people needed that kind of ruler. Not a
ruler with mercy. No. He said, “You are passing beyond your limits and
you are cursing to the Khalifatullah? Huh? To the Khalifah of Allah
you are cursing? Come here!” He said, “These heads are not necessary
to be in these bodies.” He got rid of them. There are so many stories
that Hajjaj has. We are leaving it here now for people just to
understand where we are entering, how Islam is and when did this
weakness enter into us.

We will give you another example. Call that one a tyrant too if you
want. Sheykh Shamil, the Lion of the Mountains. Not lion that is the
donkey kind. No. The one with authority who was taking it from the
Divine Presence and using it. When they martyred the one who was
before him fighting against the Russians, they all came and they said,
“O Imam, We are choosing you to be our Imam and our leader to continue
this fight.” He said to them, “Choose somebody else. Don’t choose me.”
They said, “You are the one who best fits to this.” He said, “Maybe,
but you don’t fit to the kind of orders that I am going to give to
you. You don’t fit to those criteria.” They said, “Ya Imam, we are
going to give bayat to you and until we die we are not going to
change.” When all those leaders came, he said to them, “Are you all
sincere with your promise?” They said, “Yes.” He said, “Then I am
going to tell you what I need, what I want and after that you come and
give me bayat under these conditions. If you give me bayat and later
you change it then know that you will become my worst enemy and I will
put you into the book of betrayers. It doesn’t matter then in which
level of station you reach in Islam.” They said, “Ya Imam, we accept
it.” Then he said to them, “In this fight that is going on with Russia
for so many years, we are not fighting for land and we are not
fighting to provide a better lifestyle for ourselves. We are fighting
for the sake of Islam and because of that we are never going to sit
down and be comfortable until we have our freedom from the hands of
the unbelievers.” They said, “Ya Imam, is this the condition that you
are putting on us?” He said, “Yes.” They said, “This is what we are
here for, this is why we are running to you.” He said, “No. My tactic
is different than the other ones. With what I am going to use against
the Russians now, I am going to drive them crazy. And they are going
to attack our villages. They are going to start killing our wives and
our olderly people. They are going to destroy our villages and they
are going to kill our children. We are going to move up to the
mountains. Coming back we are going to protect whatever we can. If we
cannot then we are going to move back up to the mountains. These
villages are going to stay unprotected. Then when you are going to see
that you are losing so many things, don’t come to me to change this.
Then I will put you in the book as betrayers. Are you accepting this?”
They said, “We accept.” He said, “Then give bayat.” They all gave bayat.

Sometime later when Sheykh Shamil started with his tactics, taking the
secrets from the Awliya Allah and hitting left and right, the Russians
were going crazy. Whatever he said was happening. They were hitting
the villages now saying, “This way we may make them to become weak.
Kill their children, their wives, this and that, and this way they may
come down and ask for a peace treaty.” The Russians sent some envoys
saying, “All you have to do is sit and make a peace treaty with us and
we will stop from everything. We will help you. We will help you to
build your nation again. You will be under our ruling. Nothing else.”
Some of them started becoming weak right away. They wanted to change
but they said, “This is what Imam Shamil said. We cannot change. What
are we going to do?” So Sheytan came to give them direction saying to
them,” You don’t have to go to the Imam. Use your wives. Use your
women. Send them to the Imam’s mother and the Imam’s mother is going
to speak to him. So this way he will not know who is that one. Only
the mother is going to say, `O my son, the Russians are asking this.
Let’s make a peace treaty’, and he is not going to punish his own
mother. So he will change.” And that’s what happened. The women came
saying, “O our mother, we would like to continue this but you know how
it is happening. All our young generation is dying…” and endless
stories. Weak. Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) created the women that way.
Weak. Right away her heart couldn’t carry anything anymore and she
came to her son saying, “My son, I have to speak to you about
something very important.”

“What is it my mother?”

“About the matter of the Ummat.”

“Don’t you dare speak to me about the matter of religion and the
politics that we are in.”

“My son, you must listen to me. So many people are suffering and this
and that.”

He said, “My mother, they poisoned you. Hmm. They poisoned you but you
are going to pay the price. Since you dared coming to ask me this you
are going to pay the price.”

And he said to them, “No one is going to do anything. I am entering
into seclusion. When I come out then I am going to make the decision
whether I will still be your Imam to see who is with me and who is
not.” He entered into seclusion and no one dared coming to say to him,
“What are you doing?” Hmm. He sat in seclusion for three days and
three nights not eating, not drinking, meditating twenty-four hours
and finally he came out. All villagers circled around waiting what the
Imam is going to say. He said, “I made my decision. My mother,
although it’s not her fault so much and I know who came and poisoned
her, but because she used that title being my mother and came to
weaken my position, she will be punished with a hundred lashes
according to the Shariat rule. And because she is my mother, I am
going to intercede for her as the Imam. I am going to give her more
pain than a hundred lashes.” He chose the strongest men among his
people, giving them the lash saying, “I am taking the hundred on me
for my mother. So now you are going to lash me a hundred times.” Then
he opened his back and said, “If I die, like Umar (radiyallahu anh)
you are going to continue until the hundred is finished.” It’s because
Umar (ra) did the same thing to his own son. Everyone said, “Oh
Sheykh!” He said, “The ruling is given. My mother is going to watch
from there me getting the lashes.” He gave it to his men saying, “Hit
it.” When he hit once, he said, “It’s not like this.” He put it with
mercy. So he said, “Like that.” He started hitting him, saying, “A
hundred lashes to me like that.” And he got a hundred to himself. Then
he got up and made another speech saying, “From now on if anybody
attempts to do that again, it will be death penalty to those people.”

He won. He didn’t win the war maybe but he won his Akhirat. And all
those people who were with him sincerely won their Akhirat too. From
that time until now those people who didn’t break the laws of Islam
while they were fighting for that cause, they won. Those who deviated
just a little bit saying, “Well, let’s put just a little bit of
foolish thing in it. The Russians are doing this to us. So we have to
do the same thing”, they lost.

Islam was ruling. Now Islam is not ruling. Holy Prophet (sws) is
saying to us, “After me, the Khalifahs will come. After the Khalifahs,
kings will come. After the kings, Sultans will come. After the Sultans
the time of Jababirah, the tyranny time will come. Everywhere in the
east, west, north and south and in every country the tyrants are going
to rule. If you live in that time, try to run away from government
works.” This is what Holy Prophet (sws) is ordering. “If you are
living during that time, I only give you two advices. Speak the truth
and be patient. You are not going to be able to change anything.” He
said to this Sahabis, “A time will come to my nation that they are not
going to be able to speak the truth and they are not going to be able
to stop people from Munkar, from wrongdoings.” So the Sahabis said,
“Ya Rasulullah, what kind of believers are those people going to be?”
He said, “Worse is going to come to them. They are not going to be
able to do that outside. Leave outside. They are not going to be able
to do that inside, to their family members. They are not going to be
able to say what is right and what is wrong. Nobody is going to
listen. Everybody is going to rule as they like.” The Sahabis were
more surprised. Then Prophet (sws) closed the gap a little bit more.
He said, “Worse is going to come to them. “What is it Ya Rasulullah?”
the Sahabis asked. He said, “They are not going to be able to speak to
their own children. They are not going to be able to change their
wrongdoings and wrong things. Their hands are going to be tied by the
governments. They are not going to be able to change and raise their
children in the way of Islam. They are not going to be able to speak
to their wives. Their wives are not going to listen to them. They are
going to say, `Democracy’ and they are going to say, “Feminist
rights’, `women’s rights.'” All these Prophet (sws) is saying, They
said, “Ya Rasulullah, what kind of believers are they going to be?”
You know vinegar is very strong. If you put any kinds of worms in the
vinegar it will die. It will not live in it. But vinegar has its own
kinds of worms that will stay in that vinegar. It will live in that
vinegar. He said, “Those of my nation in that time who are going to
try to live a correct lifestyle are going to be like those worms
inside the vinegar. They are going to live. And my salams to them.” He
is saying from that time, “My salams and my blessings to those ones.”

Hmm. These are the times that we are in now. So many people are not
understanding what is really happening in this world because they are
not understanding how Islam will rule and what is the ruling system in
Islam, and people are fighting and arguing (on this matter). Sheykh
Mevlana saved almost millions of people’s lives. He gave everything
from himself. He didn’t take anything to himself from any people. I
know. I grew up next to him for so many years and I have been watching
him and his activities for so many years. He is not taking anything
from anyone. If he takes something from you then don’t think that he
is taking for himself but he is taking and giving it to those ones who
needs it. So he is not taking anything to himself. He worked all his
life for his food. No one can say, “I have fed Sheykh Mevlana.” No. He
did not eat one penny haram in his life and he did not speak one wrong
word in his life. He is concentrating from that time until now and he
is showing (he is not even attacking), he is showing his dislikeness
to democracy systems. Nothing else. And the governments know what kind
of help he did to the mankind. So many people were ready to commit
suicide and he saved them. So many people were in drugs and he saved
them. So many people were addicted to so many kinds of wrong things
and he saved them. So many families were ready to get divorced to
destroy themselves and he saved their lives.

He only did good things. Not only we know it but those governments who
are running after him know that too. The Cypriot government was
bankrupt. All those people who were coming from Europe or foreign
countries (to visit Sheykh Mevlana), the money that they were bringing
into the country, the Deutch mark, the foreign currencies that they
were bringing into the country was enough for them to circle around
their jobs. Still they are attacking him. Still they are running after
him because he didn’t say what they are asking. He didn’t say, “Yes,
democracy is a good system.” Sheykh Mevlana has to say only one word
and look tomorrow (how everything is going to change). As some groups
are doing, which I am still not understanding. They are announcing
about Sheykh Mevlana to the Turkish authority that he is the Mufti, he
is the Hanafi scholar Mufti of Cyprus. They are still announcing that,
they are still running after him and they say, “He is a Mufti.” But
Sheykh Mevlana is banned to go to any mesjid to even speak. Mufti? Why
people are still insisting on that to say, “He is the Mufti. He is the
highest authority in Hanafi fiqh.” Hmm. I am watching. There must be
something wrong somewhere. He is not a Mufti. He is not an official
Imam, alhamdulillah, because if he was an official imam then he would
be in big trouble too. He has to speak what the bosses want. He is not
speaking what they want. He is speaking what comes to him from the
Divine Presence. And he is still not attacking. He is just saying to
people what they have to do to find safety. Nothing else.

So they are running after him. He is an over eighty years old man and
now they are banning him from making khutba. Hmm. There must be
something wrong somewhere. Put your heads together and understand.
There must be something wrong. He is an eighty years old man. Why are
you stopping him? He has been speaking for so many years. Hmm.
Something is wrong somewhere. Of course, you don’t have to be an
Awliya too to understand certain things, how things are working, when
you know how political movements are moving and some people are moving

Leave that part aside too. We don’t want to interfere into that
dirtiness. That is a dirtiness that is happening behind the doors. But
the people who are doing that are only fooling themselves. They are
not fooling anybody else. On the Judgment Day everything is going to
be opened in front of the whole world. Allah is saying to us and to
everyone, “Do you think that you are doing something behind the doors?
You may get away in this world. If Allah is not forgiving you then He
is going to open your dirtiness in the Judgment Day in front of
everybody. Where are you going to go then?” So that’s what’s happening
to the nation, that’s what’s happening to us. We left the way of the
Holy Prophet (sws) and we are running, asking, trying to get medet,
help from the unbelievers. And the Holy Prophet (sws) is saying to us,
“The Jababirah time will enter.” It doesn’t matter which government
anywhere. It is Jababirah. They have entered into that category.
Muslim countries and non-Muslims countries. Everywhere.

So the Khalifah moved from the chair and the Khalifah is not ruling
now. So no more blessing is coming. Because no more blessing is
coming, now all wrong things are opening, coming to the surface.
Before, the Khalifah was there, more blessing was raining and in the
east, west and everywhere there was proper ruling. As I said again,
you don’t have to become an Awliya Allah to understand. The one
biggest mistake that the Muslim people today have is that that they
don’t know the history. First, you have to check the history. Open the
pages back a little bit. Turn it back. Look where the trouble started
and since then if the trouble stopped. When did it start? Right after
Sultan Abdul Hamid Khan the trouble started everywhere in the world.
Non-stop, twenty-four hours a day. Holy Prophet (sws) is saying, “The
blood is going to move like a river on earth.” Is it happening today
or not? Squareheads think that there is going to be a river running
with blood like that. No. Look everywhere. Every single day. Look at
Iraq. Huh? They brought democracy. Mashallah democracy. At least fifty
a day die. They didn’t like Saddam but not one was dying in his time.
He was getting the heads off those he didn’t like. That’s it. At least
the ones who were staying away from the tyranny of Saddam were living
comfortable lives. Now nobody. Now you cannot go to the mesjids.
Before you know the mesjids blow up. The mosques blow up everywhere.
Huh. You are running to change things from the way of Allah and you
want to put your ruling system to the world? Look. Look what else is
coming behind this. And those who are helping these systems are going
to be burned with that too. No safety. It doesn’t matter imam or
sheykh. Run. Run. Put a little bit more fuel, help them a little bit
more and look how much the fire is going to eat you up too.

So what is the Holy Prophet (sws) ordering to us? He said, “If you are
reaching to that time speak the truth. If it’s necessary to speak then
speak the truth or keep silent. And be patient. That’s all.” Holy
Prophet (sws) is saying, “If you know that you are a good one and if
you know that you have a weakness don’t go in the frontlines. Stay
behind. There are so many other lions who are going to move to the
front. When you are occupying the front then they are not going to
move. They don’t fight for that. They won’t drag you back. Move back.
Let the lions to go front. You are not even a cat anymore. They are
not listening to you. Move back. Let the lions to stand.” This is what
happened to us, to our nation, to the nation of Muhammad (don’t think
that I am saying Turkic nation, Pakistani or Arab. To the nation of
Muhammad sws).

This is what happened to us. We have been separated. We have been
separated in so many different flags, different nationalities and that
is enough for us to eat each other. Because of this baloney democracy
nations inside have separated into ten, twenty, forty or fifty
different parties. Fifty different parties mean it’s democracy.
Democracy has so many parties. Yes. You have to have so many different
divisions. Muslims? Is this Islam? Is this how Islam was ruling? Is
this how Islam is supposed to be ruling? Later everyone is saying,
“Democracy is coming from Islam. Abu Bakr Siddik was elected. And Abu
Bakr Siddik, Prophet’s grandsons, Muhajireen and Ansars divided. So
they had different parties. It’s democracy. And they were debating.”
Hasha astaghfirullah. They say that the Prophet’s (sws) grandsons were
debating with Abu Bakr Siddik or the Ansar were debating with the
Muhajireen. They were fighting for who is going to rule after the
Prophet (aleyhi salatu wa salam). This is what they are saying. I
don’t think that person or those people who are believing in that kind
of thing have any knowledge of the history of Islam. Leave anything
else. Or, they have the knowledge but they have a different aim. We
don’t know. We are not responsible. Everyone is responsible from what
they say for themselves. We are not responsible for what they say.

If you like, you follow that way. If you like, follow what we were
just saying. We are not saying to you, “Follow us”. No. Follow your
own intelligence, your heart and your own faith. Nothing else. No one
is standing in front of you to stop you from growing. No. We want
people to grow and we want people to move forward in the way of Allah.
We want them to reach to higher stations. You cannot reach to higher
stations when you are dismissing the teachings of the Holy Prophet
(sws) and when you are dismissing the teachings of the Sahaba-e Kiram.
Yes, there were some people who elected (Abu Bakr Siddik ra). Seven
people elected the Khalifah. The majority of those seven people later
became Khalifahs. So they were at the same level of the Khalifah and
they were just electing (not because of election-election), but they
were just saying, “Because the Prophet (sws) did this to us and said
(such and such), so we must choose the olderly person”, and that’s
what they did at that time. They put Abu Bakr Siddik (ra). No one was
going to stay, no one was going to fight saying to Abu Bakr Siddik
(ra), “No, no. I have to be the Khalifah.” How is it going to be said
that the grandchildren of the Prophet (sws) established a party and
they were debating with Abu Bakr Siddik? Who? Hasan and Husayn? The
grandchildren. Hasan and Husayn were debating against Abu Bakr Siddik?
What kind of mentality is this? It must be coming from western
ideologies, from western ways of teachings.

So it’s not how much you know or how much you read. You may memorize
the whole Quran by your heart. What is Holy Prophet (sws) saying? “In
Ahir Zaman there is going to be so many Hafez. They are going to
recite the Quran but the Quran is not going to enter below their
throats. It’s not going to enter to their hearts. They are going to
recite and they are going to make people hearts move. But the Quran is
not going to help them.”

We are asking forgiveness for all things that we have said, inshaAllah
ar-Rahman, we are asking Allah (subhana wa ta’ala) to correct us for
the wrong things that we have said and make us to follow the good
things and the right things that we are saying. We are not claiming
anything. We are just trying to be good servants. We are sharing this
knowledge with you. Everyone is free to accept or not to accept.
That’s what I am seeing and that’s how I am walking. If anybody wants
to accept then welcome. We walk together on this road. If anybody
doesn’t, choose any way as you like.

Wa min Allahu taufiq

Bihurmatil Habib

Bihurmatil Fatiha.